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Robert Jones  
Subject:  Thoughts on Bonds, Schilling Etc
Date:  5/8/07, 11:04pm
I watched Schilling's comments today. I felt like Schilling gave an honest answer...of the way he (Schilling) felt about Bonds. I tended to agree with John Kruk's comments on the subject that Schilling crossed the line by getting into Bond's personal life. I think Schilling should have kept his comments strictly to baseball when asked.

One thing that infuriates me regarding the Bond's issue was the fact that the race card is being played. The allegation is everyone hates Bond's becuase he is black. I think most people hate Bonds because he can be arrogant, a jerk and people tend to think he cheated to get where he is....under those circumstances how can you not feel for Aaron.

I think that if Arod, Sosa, or Griffey, or McGwuire or Juan Pierre for that matter were on the verge of the record the feelings would be different....with Sosa and McGuire the shadow of steroid use and the allegation of cheating would still be there and perhaps even so with Griffey but less so with Griffey. The biggest difference is that Bonds can be so arrogant and such a jerk sometimes that he is easy to dislike. His race has nothing to do with it.

The bottom line is that Barry's personality makes him dislikable. His ethics have also been brought into question and people perceive him to have taken short cuts to get where he is. Aaron has an aura of honesty about him and his accomplishment. Aarons record has a purity about it. It is seen as an achievement, a culmination of one man's life's work accomplished with talent, hard work, and under extreme animosity and prejudice. It is like Aaron summited Everest and Bonds took an elevator to get there.

Bonds has tremedous talent...and watching him hit homeruns is incredible. It seems to me that it was disclosed by Bonds that he did use steroids unkowingly..... a cream that was applied by his trainer. That coupled with changes in his size and apparent strength makes for very convincing evidence that he did use steroids. The overwhelming consensus of baseball observers seems to be that Bonds is guilty of cheating and that coupled with his attitude and demeanor has tainted his acheivements and tainted the publics perception of the up coming milestone.

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Message #12 of 13  *NEW*
To:  Robert Jones
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Reedster  
Subject:  Re: Thoughts on Bonds, Schilling Etc
Date:  5/9/07, 7:38am
Excellent comment, Booga. I agree on the reasons that Bonds is hated... I don't agree with the public perception.

It bothers me enormously, but I know it isn't because he is black. That is downright ridiculous. Critics are wanting to put an asterisk on Bonds' potential record that would beat ANOTHER black man. This isn't Babe Ruth we are trying to protect.

Schilling's comments were way out of line... I agree with Kruk (isn't he the best thing to happen to Baseball Tonight in ages?). You don't go out publically and bash another guy for his personal life (Schilling attacked Bonds for cheating on his wife and cheating on his taxes).

It is said that Bonds testified to a Grand Jury that he unknowingly took steroids (I believe with the cream, as you mentioned). I'll continue to reiterate things like this. Jeremy Giambi actually pumped steroids directly and knowingly into his body.

He hit 20 HRs in 2002 in 313 ABs.

I would suggest that ALL of the guys in the record books likely used whatever was available at the time to better themselves chemically. Whether it was some kind of cow or horse enhancer or amphetamine.

Someone can correct me here, but this is probably the most important issue (if I am correct). Steroids was not formerly illegal in baseball at the time that Bonds hit 73. How is this cheating?

Then another issue: where is the talk of putting an asterisk next to Clemens' name if it comes out that there are witnesses saying he was a steroid user?

We can't crucify Bonds and take away from what he has brought to the game just because he is an asshole. The game of baseball has a ton of great players who were assholes... but, if they were great, we should ignore that fact when making any decisions about altering the game's history.

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Message #13 of 13  *NEW*
To:  Reedster
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Robert Jones  
Subject:  Re: Thoughts on Bonds, Schilling Etc
Date:  5/12/07, 12:21pm
I don't think anyone really had any concept of steroids when the rules were laid out. The effect that they have had is like something from a sci-fi story. I am not sure that some of the substances taken, while perhaps not against league rules, may have been illegal to own, or possess or perhaps to use on humans at the time....or at least not even have been approved by the FDA. Even if it was not illegal....I think it was downright wrong and immoral to use chemical injection/enhancements to become a better player. Some things are just plain wrong.

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